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LSU-Alabama, the prequel?

Posted on: November 3, 2011 9:55 pm
 
A lot of the speculation surrounding this game isn't just about which team will win, but whether or not this game even matters?  That is because many think we could see this matchup again on Jan. 9th in New Orleans.

I don't think that's a very likely event.  Obviously, Oklahoma State and Stanford have to lose to even have the discussion.  The loser on Saturday will have a couple of things going against them in the eyes of voters.  First, while there isn't a whole lot of precedent on this, voters have shied away from a rematch if there was another good choice available.

In 2006, after a pretty exciting Ohio State-Michigan game that ended 42-39 in favor of the Buckeyes, Michigan fell only to third in the polls, just behind one-loss USC and ahead of six other one-loss teams, led by Florida.  That was the final game of the regular season for the Big Ten schools.

Entering the final week of the season, the Wolverines were still sandwiched between USC and Florida.  That weekend, USC lost to UCLA, opening the door for a rematch.  However, after Florida beat Arkansas for the SEC title, voters pushed the Gators ahead of Michigan and into the BCS title game.

The desire to avoid a rematch wasn't the only thing working against Michigan.  Florida was also a conference champion.  In the 14-year history of the BCS, the top two teams in the final polls have always been conference champions.  Earlier versions of the BCS formula overruled the will of the voters a couple of times and put a non-champion in the BCS title game.  It is harder to do that in this version of the formula, which gives 2/3 of the weight to the voters.

The loser of this game figures to be in the same boat as Michigan.  I think if there is any other reasonable choice, including undefeated Boise State or one-loss Oklahoma, the voters will ultimately go that route, even if they don't do so this week.  And I think that is true no matter how good the game is on Saturday, although obviously a good game is more helpful to the rematch cause than a poor one.

Yes, I did say Boise State up there.  Certainly, if it comes down to a choice of the Broncos or LSU/Alabama, there will be a lot of debate over how "reasonable" a choice Boise State is.  That program has built up a lot of respect with the voters over the last several years, and if the circumstance is right, voters may finally say, "let's see what they got."

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Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: November 6, 2011 6:13 pm
 

LSU-Alabama, the prequel?

Is this guy for real???

"In the 14-year history of the BCS, the top two teams in the final polls have always been conference champions."

Not true, do your research:

'01 - '02, Nebraska ranked #2 and played in the NC game (Colorado was the Big XII Champ)

'03 - '04, Oklahoma ranked #1 and played in the NC game (K-State was the Big XII Champ)

How did you become a sports writer? 
Through reading comprehension. Read the sentence after: Earlier versions of the BCS formula overruled the will of the voters a couple of times and put a non-champion in the BCS title game.

Palm said that the top two teams in the final polls, meaning the human polls and not the BCS, have always been conference champions. In 2002, Nebraska was ranked No. 4. In 2003, Oklahoma was ranked No. 3.

Palm was correct. Read the whole thing next time.



Since: Dec 23, 2008
Posted on: November 5, 2011 8:59 pm
 

LSU-Alabama, the prequel?

The only thing I am going to say in Oklahoma's favor is 10 of their 12 opponents are in the BCS top 50, more than any other top tier school. It is easy to flub up and lose a game when you play good teams every week. That being said losing to Tech was a terrible loss and I would be in support of a 1 loss oregon over OU. But with OU playing the #2 team the last week of the year I can see how it is possible for them to move up into the spot.

The main thing I want to say is remember how the SEC politiced the voters to have Florida jump Michigan in 2006 because they thought the rematch was unfair. Now, they are advocating a rematch because it is their two teams.  As Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday said, "It appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds."   



Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: November 5, 2011 7:52 pm
 

LSU-Alabama, the prequel?

Is this guy for real???


"In the 14-year history of the BCS, the top two teams in the final polls have always been conference champions."


Not true, do your research:

'01 - '02, Nebraska ranked #2 and played in the NC game (Colorado was the Big XII Champ)

'03 - '04, Oklahoma ranked #1 and played in the NC game (K-State was the Big XII Champ)




How did you become a sports writer?      
;     &nbs
p;   
   



Since: Aug 20, 2006
Posted on: November 5, 2011 7:50 pm
 

LSU-Alabama, the prequel?

"think if there is any other reasonable choice, including undefeated Boise State or one-loss Oklahoma"

What about a one-loss Oregon?  Oregon lost to LSU in what was essentially a road game, while Oklahoma lost at home to Texas Tech who is below-average for an AQ conference team.   I know OU's schedule is tougher, but who you lost to should matter also, and LSU and Stanford are enough to make any schedule tough of their own right.   Or conversely, a one-loss Stanford whose only loss would be to Oregon?   Still 100x more forgiveable than Texas Tech who has lost 52-20 and 41-7 since beating the Sooners.



Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: November 5, 2011 6:51 pm
 

LSU-Alabama, the prequel?

NO REMATCH. I'll say it now as an Alabama fan. Alabama has to win this game by more than 10. Why would it be fair to the team that wins to have to play the other again? Say Alabama wins, is it fair to have to beat LSU again in there back yard? NO. It will still be 1-1. If LSU wins they would have to beat BAMA again after going to there place and beating them? No that's not fair. Why is it every other sport has a playoff and college football doesn't. If you want to continue this system then consider shared titles.

And I'm glad the world gets to suffer what we have to every week. Verne....Wait and see what a joke this guy is. RTR...24-17.



Since: Aug 15, 2007
Posted on: November 5, 2011 6:22 pm
 

LSU-Alabama, the prequel?

Another Northern goofball wishing they had football to watch up there. One day there may be a team that can give you guys something to root for, until then, just sit back and watch the "Strength Everywhere Conference" (as Dennis Dodd puts it) !



Since: Mar 6, 2010
Posted on: November 5, 2011 5:59 pm
 

LSU-Alabama, the prequel?

Do you mean like they "dominated" the bowl season last year? Funny, I remember Georgia losing to CENTRAL FLORIDA, Tennessee losing to NORTH CAROLINA, South Carolina losing, Arkansas losing, 5-4 bowl season when most of those games are de facto home games for the SEC hardly qualifies as dominating. 2 teams, and a load of crap.



Since: Aug 15, 2007
Posted on: November 5, 2011 11:35 am
 

LSU-Alabama, the prequel?

LMAO...a bunch of crap ? Just like every other year, the SEC will dominate the bowls with a bunch of crap I guess ????




Since: Mar 6, 2010
Posted on: November 5, 2011 11:20 am
 

LSU-Alabama, the prequel?

A rematch isn't going to happen for a couple of reasons: 1. The loser won't even win their own DIVISION within their own conference. They won't even go to the conference championship, let alone win it. The only way they can is if the other team loses twice after this game, which is unlikely because the SEC has 2 teams and a bunch of crap. 2. Alabama is going to render the argument useless anyway because they are going to win this game by 2 TDs. 



Since: Oct 6, 2011
Posted on: November 5, 2011 12:15 am
 

LSU-Alabama, the prequel?

I think a sequel is unlikely, but I do think it is a close game....the loser would deserve a shot over Oklahoma.  A loss to the top team (this will be true no matter who wins) makes a better argument than a home loss to Texas Tech.  I agree an undefeated Stanford or Okla St would definitely be ahead of the loser of this game....I am up in the air about Boise (any of the three remaining would smoke them, but they might deserve a shot just to put an end to us talking about the little teams.)  Oklahoma....totally disagree with that scenario.


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